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		By: Odd Donny		</title>
		<link>https://elven.co.nz/comic/elven-00131/#comment-1465</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Odd Donny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2021 14:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://elven.co.nz/comic/elven-00131/#comment-1456&quot;&gt;Council&lt;/a&gt;.

If you simply MUST scratch that two weapon fighting gish itch, grab a twilight mithril chain shirt and learn the steeldance spell. Now just let your familiar handle the survival checks. Instant ranger.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://elven.co.nz/comic/elven-00131/#comment-1456">Council</a>.</p>
<p>If you simply MUST scratch that two weapon fighting gish itch, grab a twilight mithril chain shirt and learn the steeldance spell. Now just let your familiar handle the survival checks. Instant ranger.</p>
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		By: sunphoenix72		</title>
		<link>https://elven.co.nz/comic/elven-00131/#comment-1460</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sunphoenix72]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2021 12:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://elven.co.nz/comic/elven-00131/#comment-1458&quot;&gt;Elkarlo&lt;/a&gt;.

Yup... I agree with ALL of this!  We played Ad&#038;d for years..literally the same campaign for 20 years!  We went through the skills &#038; powers era and entered the 3.0 - 3.5 era still loving the system that was mostly self-compatible or at least easily convertible, even into Pathfinder.  But I jumped the ship at the $e betrayal... and though 5e is less unpalatable than 4e {that which shall no longer be named}... I still do not approve of 5e &#039;SUPER DUMBED DOWN&#039; system!  You can play anything that fits into their narrow view of options screw that... I can pick what uniqueness my character has by spending my skill point my feats my class and prestige classes how and when I want to!  5e took away any open choice beyond their narrow definitions.  So... not my DnD system of choice... I&#039;d stick with Pathfinder.

The biggest complaint in our group was that pathfinder was too player friendly.  I beg to differ as the DM is the ultimmate arbiter of how much gold the party gets access too.  Though even THAT is a bit more open to players willing to do the hard work to invest their gold as per Ultimate Campaigne to invest in running a business and the profits therefrom.

The main complaint a few in our group have over Pathfinder.. [one I Do not share] is the magic item creation system.  Some think it is too easy or too restricting in you must either be a crafting wizard or a metamagic wizard you can&#039;t be both! Personally.. I see that as a good thing! honestly.  You will NEVER be able to do EVERYTHING you have to pick a specialty in feat progression.  I like that.  So Wizards do not have access to all the power and can craft any and everything.  The system is designed for you not to be able to get all the feats!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://elven.co.nz/comic/elven-00131/#comment-1458">Elkarlo</a>.</p>
<p>Yup&#8230; I agree with ALL of this!  We played Ad&amp;d for years..literally the same campaign for 20 years!  We went through the skills &amp; powers era and entered the 3.0 &#8211; 3.5 era still loving the system that was mostly self-compatible or at least easily convertible, even into Pathfinder.  But I jumped the ship at the $e betrayal&#8230; and though 5e is less unpalatable than 4e {that which shall no longer be named}&#8230; I still do not approve of 5e &#8216;SUPER DUMBED DOWN&#8217; system!  You can play anything that fits into their narrow view of options screw that&#8230; I can pick what uniqueness my character has by spending my skill point my feats my class and prestige classes how and when I want to!  5e took away any open choice beyond their narrow definitions.  So&#8230; not my DnD system of choice&#8230; I&#8217;d stick with Pathfinder.</p>
<p>The biggest complaint in our group was that pathfinder was too player friendly.  I beg to differ as the DM is the ultimmate arbiter of how much gold the party gets access too.  Though even THAT is a bit more open to players willing to do the hard work to invest their gold as per Ultimate Campaigne to invest in running a business and the profits therefrom.</p>
<p>The main complaint a few in our group have over Pathfinder.. [one I Do not share] is the magic item creation system.  Some think it is too easy or too restricting in you must either be a crafting wizard or a metamagic wizard you can&#8217;t be both! Personally.. I see that as a good thing! honestly.  You will NEVER be able to do EVERYTHING you have to pick a specialty in feat progression.  I like that.  So Wizards do not have access to all the power and can craft any and everything.  The system is designed for you not to be able to get all the feats!</p>
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		By: Odins_Missing_Eye		</title>
		<link>https://elven.co.nz/comic/elven-00131/#comment-1459</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Odins_Missing_Eye]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2021 13:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://elven.co.nz/comic/elven-00131/#comment-1452&quot;&gt;Sheela&lt;/a&gt;.

Bottles, even]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://elven.co.nz/comic/elven-00131/#comment-1452">Sheela</a>.</p>
<p>Bottles, even</p>
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		By: Elkarlo		</title>
		<link>https://elven.co.nz/comic/elven-00131/#comment-1458</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elkarlo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2021 07:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://elven.co.nz/comic/elven-00131/#comment-1457&quot;&gt;taulsk&lt;/a&gt;.

I have played most D&#038;D Systems around there, 5th not as i am from the &quot;Pathfinder&quot; guys. And D&#038;D at it finest is 3.5, we still played AD&#038;D and 3.0 alongside, but after the refinement came out: 3.5 it was a well rounded System and Pathfinder is in mostly only another refinement of it. It is what you want: AD&#038;D is a spezialised Dungeon Hack System, D20 3.5 is a generalized Combat System which removed some Flaws from AD&#038;D. Saving Roles i look at you, why have you to be low good while every other role needs to be high?
D20 4th is... a simpleton 3.5th with 30 Levels and no Demons. Some which they corrected in 5th Edition, but the Fork already happened. And Asmodeus has still nothing to with Sukkubi ! (Which is the main Problem most Poeple have with 4th and 5th Edition, it is incompatibel in it&#039;s Lore to lots of the older Novells out there)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://elven.co.nz/comic/elven-00131/#comment-1457">taulsk</a>.</p>
<p>I have played most D&amp;D Systems around there, 5th not as i am from the &#8220;Pathfinder&#8221; guys. And D&amp;D at it finest is 3.5, we still played AD&amp;D and 3.0 alongside, but after the refinement came out: 3.5 it was a well rounded System and Pathfinder is in mostly only another refinement of it. It is what you want: AD&amp;D is a spezialised Dungeon Hack System, D20 3.5 is a generalized Combat System which removed some Flaws from AD&amp;D. Saving Roles i look at you, why have you to be low good while every other role needs to be high?<br />
D20 4th is&#8230; a simpleton 3.5th with 30 Levels and no Demons. Some which they corrected in 5th Edition, but the Fork already happened. And Asmodeus has still nothing to with Sukkubi ! (Which is the main Problem most Poeple have with 4th and 5th Edition, it is incompatibel in it&#8217;s Lore to lots of the older Novells out there)</p>
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		By: taulsk		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[taulsk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2021 23:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Everything is relative to the game system and version.  Many people agree that D&#038;D stopped being a game as soon as 3.0 was introduced.  Some people say that 4.0 and after is utterly worthless and a waste of money and time.  Then you have d20 game settings that have fantasy that is not D&#038;D, also you have Pathfinder...  I am of the AD&#038;D 2.5 edition group when I want to play D&#038;D anything, but I would rather play Hero system over anything D&#038;D.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything is relative to the game system and version.  Many people agree that D&amp;D stopped being a game as soon as 3.0 was introduced.  Some people say that 4.0 and after is utterly worthless and a waste of money and time.  Then you have d20 game settings that have fantasy that is not D&amp;D, also you have Pathfinder&#8230;  I am of the AD&amp;D 2.5 edition group when I want to play D&amp;D anything, but I would rather play Hero system over anything D&amp;D.</p>
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		By: Council		</title>
		<link>https://elven.co.nz/comic/elven-00131/#comment-1456</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Council]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2021 21:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://elven.co.nz/comic/elven-00131/#comment-1437&quot;&gt;sunphoenix72&lt;/a&gt;.

Don&#039;t forget the opportunity cost of delaying your spell slots by a level. Most people never reach level 20, and as you continue to adventure, you face level-appropriate challenges that were (attempted to be) designed for your range of abilities for that given level.

You Can build a gish wizard if you study the right spells and pick the right ranger bonus feats, but just randomly picking a level of Ranger when the party meatshield dares you to is not how you do it, chief.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://elven.co.nz/comic/elven-00131/#comment-1437">sunphoenix72</a>.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget the opportunity cost of delaying your spell slots by a level. Most people never reach level 20, and as you continue to adventure, you face level-appropriate challenges that were (attempted to be) designed for your range of abilities for that given level.</p>
<p>You Can build a gish wizard if you study the right spells and pick the right ranger bonus feats, but just randomly picking a level of Ranger when the party meatshield dares you to is not how you do it, chief.</p>
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		By: David G		</title>
		<link>https://elven.co.nz/comic/elven-00131/#comment-1454</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David G]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2021 12:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://elven.co.nz/comic/elven-00131/#comment-1438&quot;&gt;Just_IDD&lt;/a&gt;.

No, no, she&#039;s equipped just fine. =)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://elven.co.nz/comic/elven-00131/#comment-1438">Just_IDD</a>.</p>
<p>No, no, she&#8217;s equipped just fine. =)</p>
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		By: Odd Donny		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Odd Donny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2021 11:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://elven.co.nz/comic/elven-00131/#comment-1437&quot;&gt;sunphoenix72&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Thou shalt not loose caster levels&quot; is the basic tenant for any caster. Besides, if in comes down to a  wizard needing to enter combat, things have gone horribly wrong and extraction  should be the primary plan.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://elven.co.nz/comic/elven-00131/#comment-1437">sunphoenix72</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Thou shalt not loose caster levels&#8221; is the basic tenant for any caster. Besides, if in comes down to a  wizard needing to enter combat, things have gone horribly wrong and extraction  should be the primary plan.</p>
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		By: Sheela		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sheela]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2021 00:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://elven.co.nz/comic/elven-00131/#comment-1446&quot;&gt;Llywenna&lt;/a&gt;.

Dual Wield, huh ?
She could be dual wielding wands then?

Reference : https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/05/19/the-song-of-the-sorcelator-part-one]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://elven.co.nz/comic/elven-00131/#comment-1446">Llywenna</a>.</p>
<p>Dual Wield, huh ?<br />
She could be dual wielding wands then?</p>
<p>Reference : <a href="https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/05/19/the-song-of-the-sorcelator-part-one" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/05/19/the-song-of-the-sorcelator-part-one</a></p>
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		By: Sheela		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sheela]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2021 00:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://elven.co.nz/comic/elven-00131/#comment-1435&quot;&gt;Nicox&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah, she&#039;s looking good there, I agree. <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/16.0.1/72x72/1f600.png" alt="😀" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://elven.co.nz/comic/elven-00131/#comment-1435">Nicox</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah, she&#8217;s looking good there, I agree. 😀</p>
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